The Cloud Native Now podcast is dedicated to everything related to the modern cloud-native stack: Kubernetes, microservices, platform engineering, platform-as-a-service, cloud-native security, cloud-native application protection, SaaS, serverless, WebAssembly (Wasm), containers and more. Tune in weekly as our hosts explore current events, best practices, culture, issues and trends. In this episode, Mike and Sharon talk about the state of cloud native and Kubernetes, touch on cloud-native security, cluster management issues, Docker's latest moves and whether Kubernetes is actually fit for purpose.