Techstrong Group's Alan Shimel sits down with longtime friend and cybersecurity veteran Rich Mogull to discuss his exciting new chapter as Chief Analyst at the Cloud Security Alliance (CSA). The two industry legends dive deep into the explosive rise of agentic AI, exploring how CSA is bridging the gap between high-level security frameworks and hands-on practitioners through their new AI Security Maturity Model and the launch of the dedicated CSAI non-profit arm. From expanded enterprise memberships to wild stories of AI-generated incident response code on the fly, this conversation is an absolute must-watch for anyone navigating the rapidly evolving frontiers of cloud and AI security.