What does it take to develop successful, scalable and sustainable open source projects? John Mertic, executive director of The Open Mainframe Project, Linux Foundation, joins as an author and guest rather than in his regular co-host role with Alan. John shares how his journey in open source led him to write his book, Open Source Projects - Beyond Code. In the book, John explores what it takes to develop a successful, scalable and sustainable open source project. He'll also cover licensing, governance, community building, ecosystem management and how to grow the number of maintainers and contributors to a project. John’s book is available at https://www.amazon.com/Open-Source-Projects-blueprint-sustainable-ebook/dp/B0BY97937R.