Mike, Mitch, Jon and special guest Lisa Martin, CMO Advisor at The Futurum Group, delve into just how catastrophic the breach of telecommunications networks being attributed to China really is.

Then, the gang turns its attention to the record amount of spending that occurred on Cyber Monday before discussing the impact the Heroku platform-as-a-service (PaaS) environment from Salesforce might have on accelerating the development of cloud-native applications destined to run on Kubernetes clusters.