Alan, Mike, Mitch, Amanda and special guest Cory Johnson, chief market strategist for The Futurum Group, discuss the future of Wiz now that a potential acquisition of the provider of a cloud-native application protection platform (CNAPP) is now apparently off the table.

Then, the gang turns it attention to the traction that SAP is finally gaining in the cloud before discussing the latest twists and turns in the CrowdStrike-Microsoft outage saga.

Finally, Ira Winkler believes that cybersecurity programs render themselves impudent by acting like users should follow policies and procedures without being encouraged.